Asle Ormsson, Knight

Abt 1260 - Aft 1307  (~ 48 years)

• Name	Asle Ormsson   [1]
  Suffix	Knight
  Birth	Abt 1260
  Gender	Male
  Occupation	Sysselmann (Prefect) in Valdres
  Death	Aft 1307
  Notes	He was a district governor in the northern part of Valdres in the first half of 1300. There are several things that indicate that he lived at Sydrol in Vang, but no certain source has been found. He was named as a representative of the king (Håkon 5 Magnusson) in several matters of foreign politics. He was also mentioned under King Erik Magnusson, brother of Håkon, and may also have worked with their father, Magnus Lagabøter. In one of the documents from Magnus, Asle was named as "lovsigemann," a speaker in the old Norwegian Thing. Carl M. Gunderson authored a typewritten table of the "Ancestral Forefathers of Paal Eirikson and Asle Dugalson" which has the designation "Gunderson Ringen's Manuscript #320." This table includes ancestries taken from Snorre Sturlasson's "Heimskringla," some of which must be considered mythical. In this table, Dugal Ruaidhrison of Kintyre is purported to be the father of Asle Dugalsson, Gjertrude Dugalsdotter til Tomb and Eirik Dugalsson (father of Paal Eirikson). Even though Anders Stillof's name was used as the source of this information, it is clear from reading his published papers that he refuted the connection between Asle of Valdres and Dugal Ruaidhrison. Many members of the Valdres Samband were given this table and have taken Carl Gunderson's information as fact, whereas there is no known historical documentation (see above). To summarize -- there is no historical documentation to support a genealogical connection between the Kvåle farm of Valdres and ancient Viking nobility. It is very unlikely that Dugal Ruaidhrisson, Lord of Kintyre and underking of the Hebrides (born before 1249 and died 1268), was the father of Asle Dugalson and his siblings. This genealogical connection probably has its origin with G. Munthe's very speculative suggestion that Pål Eiriksøn's father might have been a son of Dugal Ruaidhrisson. See: Samlinger til det norske folks sprog og historie. See also the article by Anders Stilloff entitled "Omkring Store-Kvale i Vestre Slidre: Sigvat Andorsøns og ulvarna Jodgeirsdatters Efterslekt til 1600" in Tidskrift for Valdres Historielag, Vol. 12, pp. 65-92, 1934. Stilloff explains why Munthe's speculation must be incorrect. Recent Y-DNA results from a grandson of the immigrant Peder Iversen Kvåle, known in the United States as Peter Peterson, show that Asle, his 16th great grandfather, did not have the same results as Somerled, from whom Dugal Ruaidhrisson is believed to have descended. Of course this conclusion depends upon adequate documentation of an historical descent from Asle to the living person for whom the Y-DNA test was done. Somerled's Y-DNA had been determined earlier by Bryan Sykes on the basis of analyses from many of his descendants in Scotland. [2, 3]
  Person ID	I320	Ellingboe
  Last Modified	1 Aug 2011

  
  

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• Documents		Gerhard Munthe, Samlinger til det Norske Folks Sprog og Historie, Vol. 1, Part 1, pp. 130-134, Christiania, 1833. Annotated PDF file of part of article by G. Munthe, regarding Paal Erikssøn and his family.
  		Anders Stilloff, "Omkring Store-Kvale i Vestre Slidre: Sigvat Andorsøns og ulvarna Jodgeirsdatters Efterslekt til 1600" Tidskrift for Valdres Historielag, Vol. 12, pp. 65-92, 1934.

  
  

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  [S166] Personal Correspondence, According to Lars L?berg, Gjartrud's patronymic has now been proven to be Omsdotter rather than Dugalsdotter. This was done by Are S. Gustavsen. Her brothers must have the same patronymic. (Reliability: 3). [S224] Frøholm, Anders, Omkring Store-Kvale, (Tidskrift for Valdres Historielag, Vol. 12, pp. 65-92, 1934), pp. 66-67 (Reliability: 3). [S225] Samlinger til det Norske Folks Sprog og Historie, Munthe, Gerhard. Vol. 1, Part 1, Christiania, 1833, pp. 130-134 (Reliability: 3). In this article, Munthe included several pages about Paal Eriks?n and his family. On pages 130-131, he begins with (translation by J. Ellingboe): "Genealogist Herzholm says, in his Norwegian Coats of Arms Book, about Paal Eriksson's origins, but after the customs of his time, without providing any source, 'Herr Povel Erichsen, who was of the Kroger (Family Krok), a powerful knight in Norway, whose forefathers came from the counts of England, and was of royal blood also her in Norway.' (Dansk-Norske Adels-Lexicon, Vol. 1, p. 303)" On page 131Munthe states, "It seems to us quite likely that Herr Paal was the son of Herr Erik Dugalsson or Dufgalss?n, who died in 1287, and therefore a grandson of Dugal (Erikss?n), king on the Southern Isles (Hebrides) 1253 and without doubt was involved in the agreement with Scotland in 1266. Paal Erikss?n had his family in Valdres. Herr Gudthorm Gydus?n. -- he was a member of the states council, baron and knight in 1287 and already ten years before (1277) was named as one of the first high-standing persons in Viken and the Oplands) (Died before 8 May 1307) -- was married with his paternal aunt, Gerthrud (or Jarthrud) and the knight Herr Asle (in Valdres, where he must have been Syselmand [district governor]) was his paternal uncle)." According to Anders Stilloff (TVH, Vol. 12, pp. 65-92, 1934), Munthe was incorrect in accepting Herzholm's earlier conclusion that king Dugal was named Dugal Eirikss?n and possibly a descendant of Ketil Krok p? Torgar in Helgeland. Stilloff pointed out that Dugal was actually named Dugal Rudhris?n and had his family in Scotland and the islands. If there was a relationship between king Dugal and Ketil Krok, who came from England after the battle of Stamford bridge in 1066, it must have been on the distaff side of the family (his mother's side), but there is no historical documentation of this.